10.5.2020 — Chief Outsiders Founder and CEO Art Saxby sits down with host Benjamin Wolf on a recent episode of the Win Win podcast. What are the differences between marketing consultants, agencies, and CMOs? When do CEOs need to bring in one versus the other? Saxby answers these questions in a recent sit-down with EOS Implementer Benjamin Wolf on his Win Win podcast. He also covers how a fractional CMO may need to be brought in to help implement a business management system like the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS). When asked how he came up with the idea for a fractional CMO model, Saxby explained, "I really wanted to focus on companies that were smaller, mid-sized firms. But in most cases, mid-sized companies can't afford an executive-level vice president of marketing, or they don't need them forever. That's what led to the fractional part-time idea." Watch the interview or listen to the show on Apple podcasts (https:// lnkd.in/eZ3_ris), wherever you normally get your podcasts, or listen on the web at http://WinWin.Cast.Rock